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	<title>Comments on: Benevolent Benefactor or Scammer?</title>
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		<title>By: AldoManutio Abruzzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AldoManutio Abruzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, Harleywood .. .I want to play your club ... I DEFINITELY want to raise my rates ... oh, and a 2-hour gig? Heh, big deal ... I did a 7 hour gig SOLO for the NMConnect events earlier this year ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, Harleywood .. .I want to play your club &#8230; I DEFINITELY want to raise my rates &#8230; oh, and a 2-hour gig? Heh, big deal &#8230; I did a 7 hour gig SOLO for the NMConnect events earlier this year &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Weirdharold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weirdharold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harleywood, I have addressed your points on the &lt;a href="http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/a-reader-rants-weirdharold-answers/1071/" rel="nofollow"&gt;main blog&lt;/a&gt;. There were tomany points to address in the comment section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harleywood, I have addressed your points on the <a href="http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/a-reader-rants-weirdharold-answers/1071/">main blog</a>. There were tomany points to address in the comment section.</p>
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		<title>By: A Reader Rants &#8212; Weirdharold Answers &#187; VTOR - Virtual TO Reality</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Reader Rants &#8212; Weirdharold Answers &#187; VTOR - Virtual TO Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TD Goodliffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>TD Goodliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure Weirdharold will address your other points, Harleywood, but this statement (or did you mean it as a question?) is incorrect:

"You can’t even get one standing area concert ticket in real life for $40?"

Attendance to Ozzfest is free this year. That's a well known concert with more than a dozen bands on the bill. Also and although this isn't a "area concert" per se, several local casinos offer live entertainment for free. Sure, they expect you will do a little drinking, eating and/or gambling, but there is no cover charge for the performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure Weirdharold will address your other points, Harleywood, but this statement (or did you mean it as a question?) is incorrect:</p>
<p>&#8220;You can’t even get one standing area concert ticket in real life for $40?&#8221;</p>
<p>Attendance to Ozzfest is free this year. That&#8217;s a well known concert with more than a dozen bands on the bill. Also and although this isn&#8217;t a &#8220;area concert&#8221; per se, several local casinos offer live entertainment for free. Sure, they expect you will do a little drinking, eating and/or gambling, but there is no cover charge for the performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Harleywood Guru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harleywood Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear weirdharold;

since this is a  public forum I will keep My response to your rumors and innuendo as PG as possible. I do hope your mouth is large enough to hold both your feet though because it appears that you open your mouth to change feet frequently and this time you have them both in there.

Now, if a scam were being done, would it make sense for the scammer to tell you not only how much money is going to be (hopefully) collected but where that money is going to as well? and make it all public so everyone can check on it?

I spend roughly $2,500 USD (USD=U.S.Dollars) a month running My own sim and the bulk of it is lindens given away to help residents have the money to buy the things created by the content creators.

This in turn allows the content creators the ability to create more clever and beautiful content and the circle continues.

Live performances. Have you ever done one? I think not. Because if you had you would know that content creation is also the artist singing his heart out on his own songs and sharing them with (literally) the world, for FREE.  As a club owner I pay the live artists that perform in My club  and 10,000 $Lindens is a normal fee for a 1 hour performance. That is about $37 USD for a 1 hour live performance by an artist doing music that they write themselves.  You can't even get one standing area concert ticket in real life for $40? 

I buy lindens 100,000 at a time for prices around $372.46 USD so if mankind tracer actually makes 200,000 lindens and takes half for his expenses, then lets see what he has done to earn his exorbitant (by your statements) fee of about $375 USD.

And lets ignore the fact that he is setting up the way for new artists to get started for free with the other half ($375 USD) of HIS earnings.

First off, he is performing at the concert for two hours....LIVE..... in 20+ sims simultaneously. A two hour live concert??? hmmmm you want to give Me any USD number on that? or are you thinking because you got a free account on second life that everything should be free there? Well the concert IS free to you there. All costs are paid willingly by the club owners not you. 

But before that... How do you think that a live concert got started?  well it had an executive producer come up with the idea, sell that idea to his capital investments group and get their input on costs and trade offs. Then that executive producer got with the sales staff and made the pitch to them and the sales staff each went out and tried to contact a sim owner in their territory and tell them about the concert and sell them on the benefit to their club. (Oh mankind tracer does pack the clubs he plays at so there is a benefit to the club.)  The the sales staff got together with the production coordination team to get streams (a 2,000 listener stream for 2 hours - ah what do you think that costs weirdharold??) the install into each club simultaneously,  and the tech support to back it up.

Now the advertising team kicks in and starts to spread the word about the concert and the goals of the visionary who is giving it.  And some of that word gets to people like you weirdharold. And you take a few words from what you hear and you decide that this visionary is probably a scammer... I can only surmise that is because you are a scammer and judge all others by those standards that you have for yourself and of course the 20 club owners are too dumb to see the scam you see.

Costs? Oh, all those people on the production team, sales team, advertising team,  those people putting in their time, the seconds of their life, for something bigger than themselves.... they are all one person... mankind tracer... 

He has a few volunteers who help but he has spent countless hours putting this together.... oh and the 20,000 Lindens bid for home base of the concert? I bid that because I believe in the idea behind the concert and I know and trust the man giving it, and selfishly, I want his avatar at MY club when it is simulcast into the other 20+ clubs, and around the entire world....

weirdharold, I can only say that you are truly a person running you mouth with few facts and no understanding of the worth and value of the creators who make things that the rest of us enjoy. If mankind tracer takes half of the lindens spent to get his concert, he is still losing money and is getting paid about a dollar an hour NOT counting the fact that he is doing the concert.  Perhaps you can volunteer your time and find out the facts before you start spreading shadows on a great idea and a man who is honestly trying to help grow the artists in second life. Those who create beautiful things for us to enjoy and not just blogs of innuendo knocking something you know little or nothing about, because you see that it is getting some notice. 

PS. one last error in the many you have made. "Second Life’s Premiere Rock Performer" is a title given to mankind tracer in a review by a reviewer at one of his concert performances. The billing title is not from him but from an outside reviewer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear weirdharold;</p>
<p>since this is a  public forum I will keep My response to your rumors and innuendo as PG as possible. I do hope your mouth is large enough to hold both your feet though because it appears that you open your mouth to change feet frequently and this time you have them both in there.</p>
<p>Now, if a scam were being done, would it make sense for the scammer to tell you not only how much money is going to be (hopefully) collected but where that money is going to as well? and make it all public so everyone can check on it?</p>
<p>I spend roughly $2,500 USD (USD=U.S.Dollars) a month running My own sim and the bulk of it is lindens given away to help residents have the money to buy the things created by the content creators.</p>
<p>This in turn allows the content creators the ability to create more clever and beautiful content and the circle continues.</p>
<p>Live performances. Have you ever done one? I think not. Because if you had you would know that content creation is also the artist singing his heart out on his own songs and sharing them with (literally) the world, for FREE.  As a club owner I pay the live artists that perform in My club  and 10,000 $Lindens is a normal fee for a 1 hour performance. That is about $37 USD for a 1 hour live performance by an artist doing music that they write themselves.  You can&#8217;t even get one standing area concert ticket in real life for $40? </p>
<p>I buy lindens 100,000 at a time for prices around $372.46 USD so if mankind tracer actually makes 200,000 lindens and takes half for his expenses, then lets see what he has done to earn his exorbitant (by your statements) fee of about $375 USD.</p>
<p>And lets ignore the fact that he is setting up the way for new artists to get started for free with the other half ($375 USD) of HIS earnings.</p>
<p>First off, he is performing at the concert for two hours&#8230;.LIVE&#8230;.. in 20+ sims simultaneously. A two hour live concert??? hmmmm you want to give Me any USD number on that? or are you thinking because you got a free account on second life that everything should be free there? Well the concert IS free to you there. All costs are paid willingly by the club owners not you. </p>
<p>But before that&#8230; How do you think that a live concert got started?  well it had an executive producer come up with the idea, sell that idea to his capital investments group and get their input on costs and trade offs. Then that executive producer got with the sales staff and made the pitch to them and the sales staff each went out and tried to contact a sim owner in their territory and tell them about the concert and sell them on the benefit to their club. (Oh mankind tracer does pack the clubs he plays at so there is a benefit to the club.)  The the sales staff got together with the production coordination team to get streams (a 2,000 listener stream for 2 hours - ah what do you think that costs weirdharold??) the install into each club simultaneously,  and the tech support to back it up.</p>
<p>Now the advertising team kicks in and starts to spread the word about the concert and the goals of the visionary who is giving it.  And some of that word gets to people like you weirdharold. And you take a few words from what you hear and you decide that this visionary is probably a scammer&#8230; I can only surmise that is because you are a scammer and judge all others by those standards that you have for yourself and of course the 20 club owners are too dumb to see the scam you see.</p>
<p>Costs? Oh, all those people on the production team, sales team, advertising team,  those people putting in their time, the seconds of their life, for something bigger than themselves&#8230;. they are all one person&#8230; mankind tracer&#8230; </p>
<p>He has a few volunteers who help but he has spent countless hours putting this together&#8230;. oh and the 20,000 Lindens bid for home base of the concert? I bid that because I believe in the idea behind the concert and I know and trust the man giving it, and selfishly, I want his avatar at MY club when it is simulcast into the other 20+ clubs, and around the entire world&#8230;.</p>
<p>weirdharold, I can only say that you are truly a person running you mouth with few facts and no understanding of the worth and value of the creators who make things that the rest of us enjoy. If mankind tracer takes half of the lindens spent to get his concert, he is still losing money and is getting paid about a dollar an hour NOT counting the fact that he is doing the concert.  Perhaps you can volunteer your time and find out the facts before you start spreading shadows on a great idea and a man who is honestly trying to help grow the artists in second life. Those who create beautiful things for us to enjoy and not just blogs of innuendo knocking something you know little or nothing about, because you see that it is getting some notice. </p>
<p>PS. one last error in the many you have made. &#8220;Second Life’s Premiere Rock Performer&#8221; is a title given to mankind tracer in a review by a reviewer at one of his concert performances. The billing title is not from him but from an outside reviewer&#8230;</p>
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