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	<title>Comments on: How exactly does &#8220;virtual rape&#8221; even occur in Second Life?</title>
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		<title>By: Serenity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serenity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Many people are right, it isn&#039;t rape really unless it&#039;s IRL. :) I know this is sorta late teehee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Many people are right, it isn&#8217;t rape really unless it&#8217;s IRL. <img src='http://www.vtoreality.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I know this is sorta late teehee</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the definition of rape was clear cut then cyber rape and virtual rape would be impossible since someone can always pull the plug out of their computer .

there are no objects that restrict a person from leaving on SL at least not without them consenting to it.
And even if someone could create a script that somehow disabled teleportting allowed someone to remove another avis clothing without consent and generally take total control of a persons avi without their consent, pulling the plug on the PC would still counter that.

The thing is though the definition of rape is not clear cut in some places only the forced entry of the penis into the virgina would qualify as rape ergo only men can rape.
in other places any forced penetration can lead to rape charges

In some states even cyber sex ie purely textual let alone virtual sex with a minor (even if the minor is only a few months underage and consenting) can lead to rape charges so even when there is no sexual contact between flesh and blood bodies and even if the &quot;victim&quot; is willing it will still lead to rape charges.

some like to claim rape is more about power than it is about sex (fairly silly claim in my pov since its obviously a combo)
But under that remit it maybe possible to charge a person with rape if they forced someone into commiting (virtual) sex acts by using threats .

Example scaring someone into commiting virtual sex acts by telling them that your a brilliant hacker and can find their offline addy or by threatening to spread rep destroying lies about them around second life or the net as a whole could have the possibilty of being defined as rape.
the legal definitions of rape are cloudy now due to changing times and the new tech</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the definition of rape was clear cut then cyber rape and virtual rape would be impossible since someone can always pull the plug out of their computer .</p>
<p>there are no objects that restrict a person from leaving on SL at least not without them consenting to it.<br />
And even if someone could create a script that somehow disabled teleportting allowed someone to remove another avis clothing without consent and generally take total control of a persons avi without their consent, pulling the plug on the PC would still counter that.</p>
<p>The thing is though the definition of rape is not clear cut in some places only the forced entry of the penis into the virgina would qualify as rape ergo only men can rape.<br />
in other places any forced penetration can lead to rape charges</p>
<p>In some states even cyber sex ie purely textual let alone virtual sex with a minor (even if the minor is only a few months underage and consenting) can lead to rape charges so even when there is no sexual contact between flesh and blood bodies and even if the &#8220;victim&#8221; is willing it will still lead to rape charges.</p>
<p>some like to claim rape is more about power than it is about sex (fairly silly claim in my pov since its obviously a combo)<br />
But under that remit it maybe possible to charge a person with rape if they forced someone into commiting (virtual) sex acts by using threats .</p>
<p>Example scaring someone into commiting virtual sex acts by telling them that your a brilliant hacker and can find their offline addy or by threatening to spread rep destroying lies about them around second life or the net as a whole could have the possibilty of being defined as rape.<br />
the legal definitions of rape are cloudy now due to changing times and the new tech</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/how-exactly-does-virtual-rape-even-occur-in-second-life/909/#comment-9762

you-are SUCH a complete moron.  I&#039;m blown away by your narrow minded stupidity.  Yes, that&#039;s right.  Virtual Rape warrants an investigation; nothing more offensive and dangerous than and exchange of words while two animations start going at it.  It&#039;s because of dumb brauds like yourself that your everyday law abiding male has to be paranoid of drinking too much and sleeping with an equally &quot;smashed&quot; female.</description>
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<p>you-are SUCH a complete moron.  I&#8217;m blown away by your narrow minded stupidity.  Yes, that&#8217;s right.  Virtual Rape warrants an investigation; nothing more offensive and dangerous than and exchange of words while two animations start going at it.  It&#8217;s because of dumb brauds like yourself that your everyday law abiding male has to be paranoid of drinking too much and sleeping with an equally &#8220;smashed&#8221; female.</p>
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		<title>By: RDarling</title>
		<link>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/how-exactly-does-virtual-rape-even-occur-in-second-life/909/comment-page-1/#comment-11154</link>
		<dc:creator>RDarling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To even use the term &quot;rape&quot; in this context is alternately hysterically funny and disturbing. First of all, let&#039;s take into account that everyone on the main grid THINKS they&#039;re dealing with adults, and have the right to expect whoever they&#039;re interacting with to be an adult. Second, let&#039;s note that while there are sex sims all over SL, they&#039;re clearly marked &quot;Mature,&quot; warning all visitors that adult activities are permitted in the area. Third, let&#039;s point out that at any time, a user can TP away, Mute an individual, log out, or turn off their computer. Ergo, ANY interaction you have with someone in SL can be immediately ended by you at any time you choose, even more easily than you can tune out an asshole in a car on a public street in RL, yelling out his window that he wants you to suck his (ahem). So if you stay and rp (that&#039;s &quot;roleplay&quot; for all you uninitiated), or even just stay and chat, your actions are consensual. It takes two to tango, though in our litigious society, I suppose there are some who would like to argue that point.

What I find most deeply disturbing about all of this, however, is the application of the term &quot;rape&quot; to what is, as evidenced above, ultimately a voluntary interaction which INVOLVES NO PHYSICAL CONTACT WHATSOEVER. There are no injuries, other than perhaps shocking or embarrassing someone who might potentially (amazingly) never have heard some of those words or actions at some point in their elementary-school career.

What this really does is to trivialize the actual act of rape, a violent and deeply disturbing real life crime that is impossible to perpetrate in a virtual environment. While I&#039;m sure some people may be upset by being propositioned with such a roleplay, or spoken to in such a way, it&#039;s no more of a crime than someone in RL, or in a chat room, or in IM, or on a blog, telling you what they&#039;d like to do to you. Nasty and uncomfortable maybe, but just stand an SL &quot;rape victim&quot; next to an actual RL rape victim and ask them how the two compare, precisely. Personally, if I were the RL victim, assuming I could hold my temper in check, I&#039;d probably suggest some serious counseling sessions, because Miss VRDramaQueen clearly has an inability to separate fantasy from reality.

C&#039;mon, people...turn off the freaking computer and get a First Life. If you really want to sue someone, go to the grocery store and slip on a spot of water instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To even use the term &#8220;rape&#8221; in this context is alternately hysterically funny and disturbing. First of all, let&#8217;s take into account that everyone on the main grid THINKS they&#8217;re dealing with adults, and have the right to expect whoever they&#8217;re interacting with to be an adult. Second, let&#8217;s note that while there are sex sims all over SL, they&#8217;re clearly marked &#8220;Mature,&#8221; warning all visitors that adult activities are permitted in the area. Third, let&#8217;s point out that at any time, a user can TP away, Mute an individual, log out, or turn off their computer. Ergo, ANY interaction you have with someone in SL can be immediately ended by you at any time you choose, even more easily than you can tune out an asshole in a car on a public street in RL, yelling out his window that he wants you to suck his (ahem). So if you stay and rp (that&#8217;s &#8220;roleplay&#8221; for all you uninitiated), or even just stay and chat, your actions are consensual. It takes two to tango, though in our litigious society, I suppose there are some who would like to argue that point.</p>
<p>What I find most deeply disturbing about all of this, however, is the application of the term &#8220;rape&#8221; to what is, as evidenced above, ultimately a voluntary interaction which INVOLVES NO PHYSICAL CONTACT WHATSOEVER. There are no injuries, other than perhaps shocking or embarrassing someone who might potentially (amazingly) never have heard some of those words or actions at some point in their elementary-school career.</p>
<p>What this really does is to trivialize the actual act of rape, a violent and deeply disturbing real life crime that is impossible to perpetrate in a virtual environment. While I&#8217;m sure some people may be upset by being propositioned with such a roleplay, or spoken to in such a way, it&#8217;s no more of a crime than someone in RL, or in a chat room, or in IM, or on a blog, telling you what they&#8217;d like to do to you. Nasty and uncomfortable maybe, but just stand an SL &#8220;rape victim&#8221; next to an actual RL rape victim and ask them how the two compare, precisely. Personally, if I were the RL victim, assuming I could hold my temper in check, I&#8217;d probably suggest some serious counseling sessions, because Miss VRDramaQueen clearly has an inability to separate fantasy from reality.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon, people&#8230;turn off the freaking computer and get a First Life. If you really want to sue someone, go to the grocery store and slip on a spot of water instead.</p>
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		<title>By: ladyaeval</title>
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		<dc:creator>ladyaeval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol hey i call people dorks all the time.

i know this is a year late, but i would like to know why people don&#039;t know how to use an off button or the quit command?

and learn something about networking too. secondlife is blocked for all computers on my network but mine. my kids touch that game and they won&#039;t be touching a computer in my house for a very long time. i play it, enjoy the clothes, shoes, dancing, and friends. and if someone even tried touching me without my consent my SL boyfriend would come over and virtually kick their (expletive deleted) I&#039;m just kidding, but still. I&#039;d tp out of there or turn around with my ak47 and blow their character away if the land allowed damage.

geesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol hey i call people dorks all the time.</p>
<p>i know this is a year late, but i would like to know why people don&#8217;t know how to use an off button or the quit command?</p>
<p>and learn something about networking too. secondlife is blocked for all computers on my network but mine. my kids touch that game and they won&#8217;t be touching a computer in my house for a very long time. i play it, enjoy the clothes, shoes, dancing, and friends. and if someone even tried touching me without my consent my SL boyfriend would come over and virtually kick their (expletive deleted) I&#8217;m just kidding, but still. I&#8217;d tp out of there or turn around with my ak47 and blow their character away if the land allowed damage.</p>
<p>geesh</p>
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		<title>By: Galen Winthorpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galen Winthorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I haven&#039;t seen the word &quot;dork&quot; used since elementary school.  You should have used Douche Moe.  Which is what I would describe a person putting down something they have no idea about.  Mainly Second Life.  Douchy McDoucherton is actually better. 

And, no.  It&#039;s not rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I haven&#8217;t seen the word &#8220;dork&#8221; used since elementary school.  You should have used Douche Moe.  Which is what I would describe a person putting down something they have no idea about.  Mainly Second Life.  Douchy McDoucherton is actually better. </p>
<p>And, no.  It&#8217;s not rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s easy. Rape involves forced sexual contact. In order for this to occur, one human being must force sexual contact on another human being.

If it ain&#039;t against laws established by your country&#039;s government, not only is it legal, but it certainly ain&#039;t rape.

Just because you have traumatized somebody by betraying them, or pissing them off, or making their game character cry, or whatever . . . does not constitute rape. Rape is not a bad feeling in response to something that happened in your day, else I could have my boss arrested 5,000 times over. For you idiots to call this rape, of any sort, just shows how delusional and silly you all are.

You second lifers are just fucking dorks. That&#039;s all it amounts to. No tangible, real crime committed IRL, so no punishment IRL. Now if they damage something you pay for, that might be a crime, but it&#039;s not rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s easy. Rape involves forced sexual contact. In order for this to occur, one human being must force sexual contact on another human being.</p>
<p>If it ain&#8217;t against laws established by your country&#8217;s government, not only is it legal, but it certainly ain&#8217;t rape.</p>
<p>Just because you have traumatized somebody by betraying them, or pissing them off, or making their game character cry, or whatever . . . does not constitute rape. Rape is not a bad feeling in response to something that happened in your day, else I could have my boss arrested 5,000 times over. For you idiots to call this rape, of any sort, just shows how delusional and silly you all are.</p>
<p>You second lifers are just fucking dorks. That&#8217;s all it amounts to. No tangible, real crime committed IRL, so no punishment IRL. Now if they damage something you pay for, that might be a crime, but it&#8217;s not rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Turner Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turner Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For historical on this you might want to refer to the nefarious &quot;The Palace&quot; rape incident. It was done by a character that did it on purpose, and then was held trial. He ended up stating that he
did it for fun. However the victim was indeed traumatized.

This was a strategic inflection point for The Palace and it was downhill from there. I worked on The Palace a little bit, it was sad to see that environment go.

I think there are several forms of rape. For example, someone who logs in, then claims you&#039;ve harassed them, and proceeds to set up her own Kangaroo court and get you removed from a sim - is a sort of &quot;Full Disclosure&quot; rape that will not likely be reported much here, I assume but does happen. 

I know this for a fact, however, that it does happen. I had a person who was posing as a reporter, and who decided that it was not religiously appropriate for me to RP in a particular sim. She logged in and told me that I should fear her, and I said.. why? And she said &quot; Because I can destroy you&quot; and I said. Ok. Go ahead. And then she collected up my friends, told them lies about me and then laughed when they booted me from the sim.

My revenues went up 200 percent after that.. so I am not complaining..
but still. Rape means forced encounter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For historical on this you might want to refer to the nefarious &#8220;The Palace&#8221; rape incident. It was done by a character that did it on purpose, and then was held trial. He ended up stating that he<br />
did it for fun. However the victim was indeed traumatized.</p>
<p>This was a strategic inflection point for The Palace and it was downhill from there. I worked on The Palace a little bit, it was sad to see that environment go.</p>
<p>I think there are several forms of rape. For example, someone who logs in, then claims you&#8217;ve harassed them, and proceeds to set up her own Kangaroo court and get you removed from a sim &#8211; is a sort of &#8220;Full Disclosure&#8221; rape that will not likely be reported much here, I assume but does happen. </p>
<p>I know this for a fact, however, that it does happen. I had a person who was posing as a reporter, and who decided that it was not religiously appropriate for me to RP in a particular sim. She logged in and told me that I should fear her, and I said.. why? And she said &#8221; Because I can destroy you&#8221; and I said. Ok. Go ahead. And then she collected up my friends, told them lies about me and then laughed when they booted me from the sim.</p>
<p>My revenues went up 200 percent after that.. so I am not complaining..<br />
but still. Rape means forced encounter.</p>
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		<title>By: e20211amwhitney &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What exactly IS virtual rape?</title>
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		<dc:creator>e20211amwhitney &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What exactly IS virtual rape?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other player&#8217;s avatars. But what is really happening when an avatar is raped? The blog site VTOR Virtual Reality asks the question &#8220;How Exactly Does &#8216;Virtual Rape&#8217; Occur in Second Life?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] other player&#8217;s avatars. But what is really happening when an avatar is raped? The blog site VTOR Virtual Reality asks the question &#8220;How Exactly Does &#8216;Virtual Rape&#8217; Occur in Second Life?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darius Sartre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius Sartre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my wife was attacked and didn&#039;t teleport... I&#039;d say... it&#039;s a judgment call.   There is always this great thing called the &quot;power button&quot;.   I know it&#039;s magical and all, but you don&#039;t have one in reality versus virtual.

Regardless of intent, from this perspective, it sounds more like consensual in SL than a victimization which is what people are terming it as.   If you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t participate.

I still don&#039;t see any actual source that holds you down without you consenting to it and doesn&#039;t allow a way out (in which rape from what I understand is taking away all control that &quot;you have&quot;).   In this fashion, it still doesn&#039;t make much sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my wife was attacked and didn&#8217;t teleport&#8230; I&#8217;d say&#8230; it&#8217;s a judgment call.   There is always this great thing called the &#8220;power button&#8221;.   I know it&#8217;s magical and all, but you don&#8217;t have one in reality versus virtual.</p>
<p>Regardless of intent, from this perspective, it sounds more like consensual in SL than a victimization which is what people are terming it as.   If you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t participate.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t see any actual source that holds you down without you consenting to it and doesn&#8217;t allow a way out (in which rape from what I understand is taking away all control that &#8220;you have&#8221;).   In this fashion, it still doesn&#8217;t make much sense.</p>
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