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		<title>By: Vivanne</title>
		<link>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/vr-legal-rights/314/comment-page-1/#comment-1279</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely support grievers, and I know that this will probably start a flurry of responses, but please, hear me out.

Actions done by individuals to disrupt the system cause us, the participants of the system, to review its structure and accountibility.  Should this event not have happened, we would not be reviewing the impact of a larger issue: the DMCA and Fair Use in the Virtual arena.  Many people are having their fair use rights violated by the DMCA, and the more this comes to light, the more likely we are, as a society, to review this piece of legislation and have it reformed to reflect the rights of individuals, and the right to information.
I say more people need to look at the systems that bind them and work to subvert the frameworks that do not make sense.  This is where the saying "thinking outside the box" comes from.  If it take grievers to get anyone to think outside this incredibly imposing and powerful box we find ourselves in, then all the more power to them.  Some flying penises may have been annoying, but it set back the millionaire mogul as well.  We need to keep this balance, moreso now than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely support grievers, and I know that this will probably start a flurry of responses, but please, hear me out.</p>
<p>Actions done by individuals to disrupt the system cause us, the participants of the system, to review its structure and accountibility.  Should this event not have happened, we would not be reviewing the impact of a larger issue: the DMCA and Fair Use in the Virtual arena.  Many people are having their fair use rights violated by the DMCA, and the more this comes to light, the more likely we are, as a society, to review this piece of legislation and have it reformed to reflect the rights of individuals, and the right to information.<br />
I say more people need to look at the systems that bind them and work to subvert the frameworks that do not make sense.  This is where the saying &#8220;thinking outside the box&#8221; comes from.  If it take grievers to get anyone to think outside this incredibly imposing and powerful box we find ourselves in, then all the more power to them.  Some flying penises may have been annoying, but it set back the millionaire mogul as well.  We need to keep this balance, moreso now than ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Sex, Lies, &#38; Avatar Defamation? &#187; VTOR - Virtual TO Reality</title>
		<link>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/vr-legal-rights/314/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Sex, Lies, &#38; Avatar Defamation? &#187; VTOR - Virtual TO Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fills the news and blogoshere with a myriad of articles. As expressed in my previous two posts: VR Legal Rights and VR Legal Rights Revisited, the regular readers of VTOR already know my feelings regarding [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fills the news and blogoshere with a myriad of articles. As expressed in my previous two posts: VR Legal Rights and VR Legal Rights Revisited, the regular readers of VTOR already know my feelings regarding [...]</p>
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		<title>By: VR Legal Rights Revisited &#187; VTOR - Virtual TO Reality</title>
		<link>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/vr-legal-rights/314/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>VR Legal Rights Revisited &#187; VTOR - Virtual TO Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As previously covered in my post VR Legal Rights where I discussed the issues of copyright, fair use, and those who would try to twist laws in order to serve their own self interest, it seems that the Anshe Chung debacle is back in the news once again. This time with a slightly different twist. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As previously covered in my post VR Legal Rights where I discussed the issues of copyright, fair use, and those who would try to twist laws in order to serve their own self interest, it seems that the Anshe Chung debacle is back in the news once again. This time with a slightly different twist. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jvastine</title>
		<link>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/vr-legal-rights/314/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>jvastine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I do not support grievers - as in those who cause others grief, or crackers that reverse engineer or hack into things for the purpose of causing problems, grief, or injury to others.

These comments leave me wondering if the whole Anshe Chung grief scenario might not have been engineered to see just how far they could carry things. Nah, I doubt that they are that smart.

Hmm, no someone please explain to me how coffee could be hot enough to cause a third degree burn and not melt the styrofoam cup into which it was poured. This was perhaps a second degree burn and is by no means an urban legend as some suppose as one of these suits occurred nearby. Plus recent television ads portray a boss standing over a secretary who's desk appears to be swamped with paperwork and he is yelling as the narration exclaims: "is your job causing you undue stress? Well just call Slimy, Seazebag, &#38; Scrotum to get the compenation and relief that you deserve." The point that I was making in my post is that there exist certain elements in our society that do abuse the legal system for their own personal gain.

It seems to me that in order for the rights to video or screencaps to pass to the owner of a private sim, it must be clearly posted as a "private" sim. Anyone could argue that in one way or another all sims are private as they are owned by various distinct entities. But even so, this violates fair use copyright law. But I'm sure that the way things are going, this issue will be tested in the courts more sooner than not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I do not support grievers - as in those who cause others grief, or crackers that reverse engineer or hack into things for the purpose of causing problems, grief, or injury to others.</p>
<p>These comments leave me wondering if the whole Anshe Chung grief scenario might not have been engineered to see just how far they could carry things. Nah, I doubt that they are that smart.</p>
<p>Hmm, no someone please explain to me how coffee could be hot enough to cause a third degree burn and not melt the styrofoam cup into which it was poured. This was perhaps a second degree burn and is by no means an urban legend as some suppose as one of these suits occurred nearby. Plus recent television ads portray a boss standing over a secretary who&#8217;s desk appears to be swamped with paperwork and he is yelling as the narration exclaims: &#8220;is your job causing you undue stress? Well just call Slimy, Seazebag, &amp; Scrotum to get the compenation and relief that you deserve.&#8221; The point that I was making in my post is that there exist certain elements in our society that do abuse the legal system for their own personal gain.</p>
<p>It seems to me that in order for the rights to video or screencaps to pass to the owner of a private sim, it must be clearly posted as a &#8220;private&#8221; sim. Anyone could argue that in one way or another all sims are private as they are owned by various distinct entities. But even so, this violates fair use copyright law. But I&#8217;m sure that the way things are going, this issue will be tested in the courts more sooner than not!</p>
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		<title>By: Weirdharold</title>
		<link>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/vr-legal-rights/314/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Weirdharold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually TD I think she got more coverage for her (sometimes)successful attempt to brow beat folks into submission with their demands to remove the pictures and video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually TD I think she got more coverage for her (sometimes)successful attempt to brow beat folks into submission with their demands to remove the pictures and video.</p>
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		<title>By: TD Goodliffe</title>
		<link>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/vr-legal-rights/314/comment-page-1/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>TD Goodliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 04:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely don't support griefer activity. I report this type of activity using the 'Abuse report' function and if I was at said event above I would have reported it too.

With that said, I wonder if this is why Anshe insisted on having the interview on her sim? So she could play this "it's mine, all mine" card when the videos and pictures were published? Duh, you invite a reporter for an interview on your land and they aren't supposed to take any videos or pictures of what happens?

The Anshe Chung interview griefing seemed more like her and husband trying to flex their muscles over an embarassing incident than anything else and I'm surprised that Google/YouTube so easily caved. 

It's ironic though that the griefers have helped Anshe Chung more than hurt her and I'm sure that wasn't their intention. Now even more people know who Anshe Chung is due to the most famous virtual penis attack ever. She got even more media coverage for being flogged with flying body parts than she ever would have for doing a non-event interview with C&#124;Net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely don&#8217;t support griefer activity. I report this type of activity using the &#8216;Abuse report&#8217; function and if I was at said event above I would have reported it too.</p>
<p>With that said, I wonder if this is why Anshe insisted on having the interview on her sim? So she could play this &#8220;it&#8217;s mine, all mine&#8221; card when the videos and pictures were published? Duh, you invite a reporter for an interview on your land and they aren&#8217;t supposed to take any videos or pictures of what happens?</p>
<p>The Anshe Chung interview griefing seemed more like her and husband trying to flex their muscles over an embarassing incident than anything else and I&#8217;m surprised that Google/YouTube so easily caved. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic though that the griefers have helped Anshe Chung more than hurt her and I&#8217;m sure that wasn&#8217;t their intention. Now even more people know who Anshe Chung is due to the most famous virtual penis attack ever. She got even more media coverage for being flogged with flying body parts than she ever would have for doing a non-event interview with C|Net.</p>
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		<title>By: Weirdharold</title>
		<link>http://www.vtoreality.com/2007/vr-legal-rights/314/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Weirdharold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crissa, I don't think anyone here associated with VTOR in any way support griefers or should that be grievers?  Yet it appears most of the authors here are concerned about rights to cover an event... notice that even though there are still hosted copies of the grief attack on Anshe; not one picture has been published here... but that is for good taste not because of any threat or fear of a threat.  Our concern is a precedent being set which will limit individual rights which is no more acceptable to me in Second Life any more than they are in Real Life!

As for as notoriety....are you trying to suggest that because it happen in Second Life it should be covered any less than a crime in Real Life?  If so.... what world are you from?

Please don't think I am trying to condemn you... as your comments are not only welcome, but are appreciated... as all non spamming comments... whether they are right or wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crissa, I don&#8217;t think anyone here associated with VTOR in any way support griefers or should that be grievers?  Yet it appears most of the authors here are concerned about rights to cover an event&#8230; notice that even though there are still hosted copies of the grief attack on Anshe; not one picture has been published here&#8230; but that is for good taste not because of any threat or fear of a threat.  Our concern is a precedent being set which will limit individual rights which is no more acceptable to me in Second Life any more than they are in Real Life!</p>
<p>As for as notoriety&#8230;.are you trying to suggest that because it happen in Second Life it should be covered any less than a crime in Real Life?  If so&#8230;. what world are you from?</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t think I am trying to condemn you&#8230; as your comments are not only welcome, but are appreciated&#8230; as all non spamming comments&#8230; whether they are right or wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Crissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 02:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, 'hot' coffee?  Look up the urban myth.  Third degree burns don't come from drinkable coffee.

LL only holds copyright insofar as it needs to distribute the content across the network and into viewers.

...And taking video on private sims or inside buildings?  Technically the right to pass is granted by the owner - and abusing that as a guest to make a video or grief isn't protected speech.  The video would then be profit from a crime... Do we really want griefers getting noteriety for recording their efforts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, &#8216;hot&#8217; coffee?  Look up the urban myth.  Third degree burns don&#8217;t come from drinkable coffee.</p>
<p>LL only holds copyright insofar as it needs to distribute the content across the network and into viewers.</p>
<p>&#8230;And taking video on private sims or inside buildings?  Technically the right to pass is granted by the owner - and abusing that as a guest to make a video or grief isn&#8217;t protected speech.  The video would then be profit from a crime&#8230; Do we really want griefers getting noteriety for recording their efforts?</p>
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		<title>By: Weirdharold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weirdharold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done jvastine,
I would like to call attention to the fact that no resident holds copy write rights to anything they create in Second Life...  seems from the TOS those belong to Linden lab. Linden lab allows intellectual rights to the creators of items in Second Life.

Not being an attorney myself I am not certain what the legal distinction between the two really entail but the difference is significant I am sure. 

I think your article is extremely relevant to what is now taking place in real life about what Chung is trying to do concerning incidents in Second Life.  GOOD JOB!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done jvastine,<br />
I would like to call attention to the fact that no resident holds copy write rights to anything they create in Second Life&#8230;  seems from the TOS those belong to Linden lab. Linden lab allows intellectual rights to the creators of items in Second Life.</p>
<p>Not being an attorney myself I am not certain what the legal distinction between the two really entail but the difference is significant I am sure. </p>
<p>I think your article is extremely relevant to what is now taking place in real life about what Chung is trying to do concerning incidents in Second Life.  GOOD JOB!</p>
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